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David  M Haynes's avatar

Amen. Trying to produce discipleship without a prior deliverance is like getting the course before the heart.

True discipleship is organic.

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Raju sambattula's avatar

Brother this was rich to read and your heart comes through so clearly. Thank you for laying it out with such depth. And I agree completely the whole story of Scripture shouts one truth over and over again God moves first. He always has. He always will. And what you shared about deliverance before discipleship is exactly what the gospel shows from the very beginning. Before Israel ever obeyed a single command God said in Exodus 20:2 I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt. Rescue first commands second. And in the New Testament Jesus does the same. He calls broken men before they know anything about holiness. He heals people before they fully believe who He is. He forgives Peter before Peter even knows how to repent properly. That is why Romans 5:8 is so powerful God shows His love for us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us. Salvation is not the reward for discipleship. Salvation is the foundation of discipleship. You are right grace is not opposed to effort it is opposed to earning. That is what Paul means in Ephesians 2:8 10 By grace you have been saved through faith not by works so that no one may boast for we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works. He saves us and then shapes us. And to the brother who was confused I would lovingly say Jesus tied discipleship to salvation because a true disciple is someone who has already been delivered. The disciples followed because Jesus found them first. They obeyed because Jesus loved them first. They surrendered because Jesus rescued them first. First John 4:19 We love because He first loved us. Brother thank you for sharing this powerful message. It reminds me that when we drift into performance mode or try to earn what has already been given we lose the joy of the gospel. Grace must lead the way every time. May the Lord keep your heart steady in His mercy and may your ministry continue to shine the beauty of Jesus who moves first so we can follow. Blessings to you my brother.

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